Twelve days after telling military personnel they “must” disobey illegal orders, far-left Democratic Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona, appearing on NBC’s Meet the Press, still couldn’t name an illegal order from the Trump administration to military personnel.
Asked by hostess Kristin Velker whether President Trump or someone in the administration had given such an order, Kelly didn’t name such a person or order.
Yet Kelly again said he expected military personnel to disobey orders on their own authority, without legal counsel, which could result in a charge of mutiny or sedition.
As it is, Kelly himself might face a serious allegation of violating the law that forbids encouraging insubordination.
Seditious Video
Kelly dove into hot water when he participated in a video with five other far-left Democrats to encourage military personnel to disobey orders that they thought were illegal.
Falsely claiming that “this administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens,” the six told military personnel they “must refuse illegal orders.”
The video didn’t cite any orders the six thought were illegal.
Trump accused the gang, now known as the Seditious Six, of sedition, while Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer said more than once that the group was confusing young enlisted personnel.
“Politicians warning troops about ‘illegal orders’ that haven’t happened is the same as yelling fire in a theater: reckless, dangerous, and meant to scare people,” Meyer wrote on X over video of his interview with Fox News talker Laura Ingraham:
They can’t point to ONE unlawful command.
So instead, they sow seeds of doubt and call it “leadership.”
It’s not. It’s chaos dressed up as courage.
“Their message was legal. But their intentions were not lawful,” Meyer said in a YouTube video posted on November 25:
“Their intent was to undermine trust. It was to blur legal boundaries. It was to destabilize the chain of command. It was to weaponize doubt for political gain.”
Other high-ranking retirees also denounced Kelly, and many veterans noted that troops don’t need to be reminded that they cannot obey illegal orders.
The War Department announced that Kelly, a retired Navy pilot, might be recalled to face a court martial, while the FBI began investigating. The department cited 18 U.S. Code 2387 — “activities affecting armed forces generally.”
That code applies to [anyone who] “advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States; or [who] distributes or attempts to distribute any written or printed matter which advises, counsels, or urges insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States.”
No Examples
Kelly showed up on Meet the Press on November 30 — almost two weeks after the video appeared — and still hadn’t come up with an illegal order from the administration.
“What specific orders do you believe President Trump made that you consider unlawful?” Velker asked.
Well, so this is looking forward. But let me give you a pass, an outline, of things that he has said. In 2016, he said that the U.S. military will follow his illegal orders. He was given — he said something on the debate stage and was reminded that would be illegal. And he said the military will not refuse his orders, regardless of whether they’re legal or not. He also talked about shooting protesters in the legs. How un-American, how unconstitutional is that? Fortunately, there was a secretary of defense that has stopped this. He’s also talked about sending troops into U.S. cities to use those cities and people for training. I mean this is — we’re concerned, because of this president, with this secretary of defense, that we could have a significant problem. So this was a simple message: “Follow the law.” And it was looking forward.
Velker: Well, and let me talk to you about some of what’s happening right now, the Washington Post reporting that Secretary Hegseth gave an order to kill everybody on one of those suspected drug boats during the first strike in September. Are you calling for U.S. service members to actively disobey orders like those?
Kelly: Well, if orders are illegal, not only do they not have to follow them, they are legally required not to follow them.
Welker: Do you think that constitutes an illegal order?
Kelly: I think there needs to be an investigation.
As for what would happen to military personnel who refuse to obey orders they consider illegal, Kelly admitted that would be their problem. Asked whether he would obey an order to sink a drug boat, Kelly said he never questioned an order during his career. And he had, he said, attacked boats during the first Gulf War.
“People can tell the difference, should be able to tell the difference between something that is unlawful and something that is lawful,” he said:
And if I was ever given an unlawful order, I would refuse — I would, you know, maybe, if you have the time, you can certainly go to the judge advocate generals, the lawyers, and have a discussion about it. If you don’t have time, you just say simply, “I’m not going to do that. That’s against the law.”
Velker: Well, it puts a lot of burden on the troops to make a decision in real time …
Kelly: It’s a tremendous amount of burden on officers in the military. But that is their responsibility. And they can figure it out. You know, a reasonable person can tell something that is legal and something that is illegal.
Slotkin: I’m Not Aware
Kelly isn’t the only one of the six who couldn’t cite an illegal order. Neither could CIA Democrat Senator Elissa Slotkin of Michigan.
“Do you believe President Trump has issued any illegal orders?” ABC News’s hate-Trump hostess Martha Raddatz asked her.
“To my knowledge I am not aware of things that are illegal,” Slotkin replied.
Raddatz rightly noted that determining whether an order is unlawful is legally “murky.”
I mean, going back to Nuremberg, right, that, “Well, they told me to do it, that’s why I murdered people,” is not an excuse. If you look at popular culture, like, you watch, you know, “A Few Good Men,” like we have plenty of examples since World War II, in Vietnam, where people were told to follow illegal orders, and they did it, and they were prosecuted for it.
A Few Good Men was far-left director Rob Reiner’s entertaining but legally and militarily problematic film about U.S. Marines stationed at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.
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